putin can't stop him. he's setting up roadblocks and putin flees the city. goes to a palace bunker in northern russia out of appear. what a contrast with president zelenskyy of ukraine. remember in the early stages of that conflict when russia invaded ukraine in the early weeks and headed toward kiev zelenskyy was offered safe passage from the city and said i need ammo, not a ride. putin took the ride in this case out of moscow and went and hunkered down in a palace bunker. mean time yevgeny prigozhin looks like the biggest gun in russia rolling towards moscow endangering his life. his army chiefs are sitting back in their circumstances in moscow sending russian men to their death in this meat grinder not seeming to care of about it. putin no longer looks like the toughest guy in russia. remember in dictatorships like this the main man stays in power by looking tougher and stronger than everybody else and that's not what putin looks like today. >> certainly a stark contrast. we will see what happens next. steve fisher answer that for joining us knowledge app

putin is weak. putin's hold on power is weakened. it is exactly what putin wants us to believe. russia/ukraine comfort going on right now. putin is hemorrhaging forces. which he is afraid is the deployment of nato forces into the theater into ukraine. in which case he would almost certainly lose the war. and so he wants to demonstrate the cognitive disconnect in the analysis of washington establishment specifically president biden. on the one hand people like lindsey graham and others in president biden himself said this man can no longer remain in power. on the other hand they are saying he is weak but then they are saying he is going to go after a nato country but if he is a week putin wants to believe that he is weak. that there is an ongoing threat of a military insurrection. there is an actual doctrine called reflexive control that the general staff has developed. what does it mean? the study the mindset of the adversary, meaning us and they figure out what is the confirmation bias? what are we likely to believe? this is a pretext to declare martial law which putin has alre

two, to putin, putin's russia and russia's putin. so, if he sees this as the united states trying to foment regime change, if the russian people see, that they may be more likely to support him ratcheting it up and using a tactical nuke on the battlefield. i think just support ukraine as they make advantage to push russia out. russia, again, they are going to be, they're going to see their resources in decline as they have to move them to protect moscow. we don't have to do anything behind the scenes for regime change. and we do better if that was organic anyway. >> what are your republican colleagues saying about all of this? >> well, there is responsible republicans who have supported the effort. there is the putin curious and the putin block. in their inaction, like speaker mccarthy who has said essentially is not gonna be any funding for ukraine, essentially helping putin. and that's right unity right now is so important. if we can do all we can right now to help ukraine make this push as russia is on its heels, this could change

>> today it means that putin's authority -- we saw putin weak and his authority was shaken and in terms of consequences it might be a little bit unpredictable because we have never seen him so weak. >> do you feel -- are you concerned about that element that kevin was talking about, that because he feels weaker he may have to act stronger and we may see the repercussions of that in the war in ukraine? >> yes, i think so. in terms of escalation, it might be very dangerous because putin he is a strong man and he always been -- he always looks strong and this is the first time when he demonstrated that he can be -- could be weak. so escalation it's a very possible scenario. escalation on the ukrainian front and the battlefield and also in the -- inside russia. >> what do you think might have been the terms of the deal that prigozhin agreed to? do you think the senior members of the military will remain in office, for example? >> i think so because they must. they must stay in their position, otherwise it will be like yevgeny prigozhin was winning completely. so i think so, yes. shoigu will

there _ for president putin? i think it is a turning point. there is _ for president putin? point. there is no - for president putin? i think it is a turning point. there is no way - for president putin? i think it is a. turning point. there is no way that putin emerges at the same out of this. he comes across as a fairly weak president at this stage, he made a speech this morning which show that he is no longer in control of the situation in his own country. but there is an open rebellion against him. so even if this rebellion is crushed, i wonder what will happen further down the road and whether putin actually can survive this. we and whether putin actually can survive this.— and whether putin actually can survive this. ~ . , ., ., survive this. we are seeing now that some of his — survive this. we are seeing now that some of his regional— survive this. we are seeing now that some of his regional allies _ survive this. we are seeing now that some of his regional allies are - some of his regional allies are coming forward and landing him their support. we are moving into t

putin's grip on power is slipping, this is a bad day for vladimir putin and so on. do you buy that or can he get back to business? >> i didn't see how he can, jim. he's, i think, wounded. now, a year ago, we were saying the poor ukrainians, how long do they hold out against the russians? who knows, not long. the business of predicting what putin and the rugtsssians are gg to do is fraught with danger and the expectations, the russian society have after their leader and the leader is supposed to provide them first and foremost with stability and safety, and even though this was a russian marching on, this is prigozhin, and his group marching on moscow, that is instability, and not to mention the ukraine war, that prigozhin said, putin said it's not true. it's a lie. that that cognitive dissonance, and inability, if russians get access to that, it will cause problems. he may have lost the confidence of his innermost eastern. the senior leadership. the real question, can he recover from that? if anybody's going to conduct a really successful coup against putin, it's go

translation: i listen to vladimir putin now. translation:— listen to vladimir putin now.: ., ., , , , , ., translation: i am addressing russian citizens again- — translation: i am addressing russian citizens again- i — translation: i am addressing russian citizens again. i am _ translation: i am addressing russian citizens again. i am thanking _ translation: i am addressing russian citizens again. i am thanking you - citizens again. i am thanking you for your perseverance. this has shown that any blackmail, any attempts to cause domestic discord are doomed to failure. i will say this again, the highest level of social consolidation has been shown of the executive and legislature at all levels. the hard and unequivocal position of support was taken by religious conversions, essentially all of russian society and turned into one by the main thing responsibility for the fate. from the very beginning, all steps should have been taken to defend the constitutional order, the lives and security of our citizens. even though they became deranged, they could not but understand it.

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if, like you say, president putin created putin i actually simple.ut trying to dismantle this threat that he created in the first place? fist this threat that he created in the first place?— this threat that he created in the first lace? �* ., ., first place? at the moment we are in a wait and see _ first place? at the moment we are in a wait and see phase. _ first place? at the moment we are in a wait and see phase. if— first place? at the moment we are in a wait and see phase. if anyone - a wait and see phase. if anyone look5 a wait and see phase. if anyone looks at the seizure of ro5tov, the local garrison, the local national guard force, which is parallel internal security army, they neither resisted wagner, nor have they joined wagner. everyone is worried, waiting for orders from above. no one wants to take initiative, this is not how the system works. when it comes down to it i suspect that will see this e55entially turn into a 5iege, that ro5tov will become besieged, and they will try to negotiate yevgeny prigozhin's 5urrender negotiate yevgeny

it's vladimir putin weaker?he world, russia, and to ukraine that he is not weaker? >> i think he may need to try to demonstrate strength. i think that was part of the speech that we saw earlier today, demonstrating that he is in charge, demonstrating that he is head of state. in reality, if you look at it from world leaders perspective across the world, china thinks that putin might not have legs in the future. all of those strong men around the world in africa that believe that putin was a guarantor for an alternative system, something different than the united states and the western lead order, now they have serious doubts as to whether putin really has that power. i think from a basic strongman standpoint, he looks fundamentally weakened. this is a saving culture. you need to play a part of the strongman if that's the part you've chosen to play. and what he's experienced over the course of several days, and that armed insurrection, that basically he took over a large city, marched all over the way to the coas

for decades and know if putin falls, they fall and whose people are firmly supportive of putin and ofhe war. so, what we are now seeing is a gathering of the minds, if you like, russians support the putin. the russian press is saying it is back to business as usual we need to get on with the war that is their aim. it is likely to work one or two sidewinds are possible prigozhin may make more trouble. there are presidential elections next year for which this will play for the immediate future, it will calm down and they will get on with the war. the real future for putin doesn't lie in the prigozhin theater, but how they do in the war. if the ukrainians make the breakthrough which they are hoping for counteroffensive, then all bets are off. if russia is on the edge of catastrophic losing, then it is an issue for putin if the war is bogging down and the ukrainian advance remains blocked and it is an extended deadlock, then putin is there and pressure on both sides to get into some sort of talks. >> a lot to unpack there i want to go back to what julianna asked about this is to do with p

lukashenko is putin's puppet here.don't know what the next step is for prigozhin and his forces. what is the most unlikely outcome for that. >> yeah, sort of pick your propaganda, pick your lie. this is a frankenstein-type of scenario that vladimir putin himself has orchestrated and developed in his 23 years in office. so, whether you think you can believe dmitri plikov, or vladimir putin, it's a heavy dose of skepticism that we interpret anything we hear from them. this, it does appear, took the kremlin and caught them off guard. and now there's a game of catch-up. and the big question is was russian intelligence aware of what yevgeny prigozhin was planning to do? this was sort of in the open. he was very adamant about his vitt tree yos of the war. and that having been said, there are thousands of wagner mercenaries sort of hanging in the balance now, vladimir putin suggesting that he has quelled this revolt. and has stepped in to avoid further bloodshed. that was similar to what we heard from yevgeny prigozhin. remem

let's not cross the red lines with putin, putin crossed the red lines, and putin violated internationalr is for the long haul.— for the long haul. i was talking to the former _ for the long haul. i was talking to the former prime _ for the long haul. i was talking to the former prime minister- for the long haul. i was talking to the former prime minister of- for the long haul. i was talking to - the former prime minister of ukraine earlier. the latest line is we were listening to that, the chief of russia's region is lifting those restrictions after that march from the vagner group has been turned back, you may remember the governor of the area saying he had been seeing the vagner group equipment moving through his area, only 400 kilometres south of moscow, and they put the word out, strongly advising people not to leave their homes and avoid travelling by any means, so all of those restrictions are lifted in the last little while. live now to warsaw to our eastern europe correspondent, sarah rainsford. you were in moscow for so many years. what are your thoughts on a day like today?— d

situation is punishable you can't pardon him here putin vs privozhen prigozhyn should kill putin becauseerwise there is always a looming threat of destroying privozhen himself, and putin has to destroy privozhen because it is a constant threat to him , but the question is that not one of them can do it now if if they do it, it will violate the very rules of the game, but for putin, and for a consonant , he does not have the resources to do it now. but he did not hide any rudeness and beauty, even if he himself is in belarus, and i think that he himself will end up as a political information factor. life and the political life of russia, he grew up, he became today well, let's say not just on the same level with putin, uhu is ascending, and putin was on a downward trajectory, but they met at this point when prigozhin said that the police service, the president, sit down, work, we smothered the puck, he distributed instructions to everyone, including the president and now they swallowed it . putin would have won if he had destroyed prigozhina. so when he was driving a convoy or entering mo

putin has allowed this.s the secretary said, those videos themselves even included criticizing putin's very premise of the war that it was not started by nato, there were not nazis in ukraine. and then entering into moscow, entering into russia itself and taking their convoy to moscow shows the basic issue of whether or not putin controls his military. for any government to have stability, they have to control their military. obviously, prigozhin in order to make that's distance, where was the russian air force preventing this? that's an issue that putin will have to deal with internationally and domestically, is, you know, his government as an authoritarian government, depends on its assertion of power force to contain -- to continue to weald power and that certainly is going to be an issue. >> was vladimir putin himself aware of the potential of this uprising? >> well, you know, i can't go into what our intelligence was. these videos he was allowing prigozhin to put out were public and distributed around t

does putin -- putin doesn't forgive this. i mean, he called prigozhin a traitor, said this is a mutiny. does he cut a deal and say, what, all is forgiven? that's not like the vladimir putin we've known. >> reporter: exactly. i would say the wagner forces are very important to the russian efforts here in their war existence ukraine, and he doesn't want -- against ukraine, and he doesn't want to lose those. those are intact. does he park the wagner chief somewhere else or do something more to him? that will be the big question. i think, again, scratching their heads, kyiv officials here, ukrainian military officials trying to figure out how to take advantage of this. it looked like they could take advantage of a lot of different disruptions in the ukrainian -- in the russian military ranks. now it seems like things are settling down but, still, there's a lot of damage done. the wounds are still the very open and signs of weakness, definitelyings -- definitely can, on the russian side if you have a bunch of mercenaries running a

so people around putin were telling putin what putin wanted to hear.in has developed this entire narrative, this kind of mythology about ukraine, that it's not a real country, that it's never really been separate from russia, that they're really just one people. and anyone around putin knew that that was what putin wanted to hear. and so all prigozhin was saying was the truth about this particular if matter. and, by the way, let's not be mistaken, both prigozhin and putin are blood thirty and have a lot of blood on their hands, both men do. and just because in this case one man was telling the truth about the operation in ukraine does not somehow imbue him with any angelic features. that said, a lot of what prigozhin said did get out to the general russian public, and i can't imagine that it helps the morale of the russian conscripts fighting ukrainians on ukrainian soil against an army that, frankly, has far better morale and training than russians do at the moment. so i think that this will have ram by occasions, positive ramifications for ukraine in

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is this putin's twilight? is too early to talk about twilight, but it is certainly a kind of turning point. to me, the most interesting thing about yesterday was the way that ordinary people in the city of rostov reacted to wagner mercenaries. they came up to them. they smiled at them. they had selfies with them. they waved them good-bye when they left the city in the evening. these were not people that were upset about violent nears carrying out regime change in their country. these are not people who are going to defend putin. many of our assumptions about his longevity and his popularity may have just been exploited by yesterday's events. i think the weaknesses of his regime and his power structure have been revealed and that is going to have consequences over the next few months. my guess is we'll be looking at one of two things and a crackdown and he'll decide he needs more violence to stay in power or mow chaos. >> what does this do to prigozhin? does this strengthen him? is this a threat to putin's lead

the school is shows that putin as weak. putin has complete control over his mercenaries. -- it's going to be in the future. putin really does have very little time left as leader of russia. >> as for the world of congress, itself and all of this. lawmakers are saying they want to ensure that they are prepared to help ukraine with whatever it needs to capitalize on this moment, take advantage of this chaos in russia. they were major partners and allies to ensure that ukraine has all the aid that it needs in the coming weeks and months. yasmin. >> we'll talk about that in just a moment. thank you so much. the word in ukraine is getting talked about the southern uprising and in the wagner group and it's stunning reversal. we'll be right back. ht back. hi, i'm todd. i'm a veteran of 23 years. i served three overseas tours. i love to give back to the community. i offer what i can when i can. i started noticing my memory was slipping. i saw a prevagen commercial and i did some research on it. i started taking prevagen about three years ago. i feel clearer in my thoughts, my mem

putin. >> translator: we are at headquarters at 7:30 a.m. military facilities including the air are under our control. planes that leave for combat work as usual. no problems. medical fights are leaving as usual. all we did was attack so they would not strike us but strike in the ukrainian direction. >> prigozhin had himself filmed alongside senior military leaders. they looked almost like hostages surrounded by prigozhin and his armed men. he was demanding that the chief of the staff be delivered to him as well as the defense secretary, defense minister rather sergei, and he said until that happened he would blockade and also move on moscow. he had claimed to take over an air base. wagner has since claimed to have taken over some miss tmilitary sites. we know the government in the province has ordered people to stay away from the highway. there have been reports unconfirmed of clashes taking place around there. this is a very tense and fragile moment because initially prigozhin was basicall

let's start with putin. he needs to decide, does he try to put the extraordinary events of the last 36 hours behind him? does he try to pretend it never happened? on? does he try to settle the score with yevgeny prigozhin. everything we know about putin, amen, suggest that he is not a man who's prepared to let bygones be guidelines. his enemies, people who crossed him, have a habit of turning up dead and there's a video going viral in russia right now. it's the 2018 interview putin did. the interviewer asks, is there anything you can't forgive? putin immediately answers, betrayal. and this, in putin's, eyes is betrayal on an epic scale. as you said, this is the most severe challenge to his authority in his two decades in the kremlin. if he does come down hard on prigozhin, a man, there is a risk. and the risk is that he further undermines the war effort here in ukraine. we've seen it. prigozhin has a lot of support among his wagner mercenaries. he seems to have some support among the regular rank and file of

why putin decided to make this deal, a deal that makes putin, in fact, look very weak because withinof saying that prigozhin was committing treason, he had agreed to the dropping of charges against prigozhin, and to his safe passage to another country. again, i think putin did that because, one, he wasn't sure that his military would rise to the challenge of stopping prigozhin, and two, because, again, he realized prigozhin has a certain popularity in russia. >> we see that in the videos coming out just from saturday of people cheering in the streets as prigozhin himself -- this is one of the final images of prigozhin as people were going up to his vehicle to shake his hand as he was -- as he was driving through. ambassador, thank you, as always, for your time. john? >> where is he now, though? that's one of the questions we need answered. >>> all right. why three police officers in texas are being charged with murder. the swift response by the city's police chief. it. - keep going. - we should've used behr. yeah. today let's paint. right now, getet america's most trusted paint brand

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with putin or prigozhin.so a mass murderer mercenary, where options are really not great. >> the secretary of state antony blinken was on meet the press, and asked an escalating question about the role of believers in all of this in terms of negotiating the revolution of all of us. he says the president of butler's lukashenko is seen as a puppet of the vladimir putin. but he says popstar often mutiny against their puppeteers here. what does that mean that vladimir putin has to rely on someone he viewed as a puppet to negotiate his way out of the wagner group, pretty much landing in moscow? >> i think belichick is more dependent on russia and russia will ever be of belarus, we need to make sure that russia relies on him this way, he plays a role in this public spectacle. how much of that spectacle, it's difficult to say. if you get professional propagandists and the chronic liars, you can't trust words from putin, from prigozhin, from anybody involved in this conflict, including belarusian officials, [inaudibl

of putin.y no way that he hasn't been massively weakened by this. the wagner group probably is around 25,000 troops, maybe 10,000 civilian contractors. the russian armed forces is various pieces of its national guard, interior ministry, fsb, 1.4 million. so, i think wagner group, prigozhin, thought he could get them to flip to him. on the face of it, it didn't make any sense. this guy is a criminal, the leadership of the wagner group tends to be motivated by greed. they get the steal, gold diamonds, oil in africa and elsewhere in the world. it's a sort of shaky proposition. i wouldn't want to overstate the importance of the wagner group, the russian combat effort in ukraine. the air force, the navy, the bulk of are -- the most important branch of the russian army, the book of the armor troops are all russian army. not wagner group. the re-about 25,000 people when they deserted, they got cut up and tortured to death. they had huge, maybe 30,000 casualties. so although i do think they were violen

a close ally of putin's.oves will be? >> well, that's the question. isn't it? but i think putin, you know what did prigoshin want? prigoshin has said he wants to get rid of the leadership of the military. people like the defense minister, and general garosomov. we don't know whether he got that behind the scenes. we ought to be watching. is he still around, still the defense minister? that would be one. then also, by sticking prigoshin in belarus that doesn't really solve the problem, because prigoshin, you know, is powerful in the sense that he makes a lot of money solving problems for putin around the world. into blood diamonds in africa. providing security in conflict zones, et cetera. so i don't think it's as easy to say good-bye go to belarus and never meet again. he is a threat no matter where he goes. the question that should be asked, i think, and won't be answered, of course, for a while, but does prigoshin get paid off in some way? does he get to keep the companies that he's got? because not only, y

putin. >> translator: the purpose of the march was to prevent the destruction of wagner and the prosecution of those who made a huge number of mistakes in the course of the special military operation due to their unprofessional actions. society demanded this, and all the soldiers who saw us supported us. >> reporter: on russian state television, damage control has been in full swing after a weekend of mayhem. prigozhin's armed rebellion has failed, the presenter says, russians stood in a united front for president putin, she declares. he's now attempting to claw back some authority by saying his actions had saved russian lives. >> translator: steps were taken to avoid a lot of bloodshed. this took time including those who made a mistake the chance to think again. >> reporter: what will become of yevgeny prigozhin now? whether he will be prosecuted or not remains unclear. though he did appear to confirm for the first time that he may indeed take a kremlin offer to head to belarus and resume w

war comes to putin's door. the paper predicting the end is near for putin. can that be?e are covering a story from every angle coming up tennessee republican senator marsha blackburn, general jackie are here with what it all means and what comes next. next we have a live team coverage around the world. trey yingst with insight from his own experience covering russia and the ukraine war. lucas tomlinson at the white house with reaction from washington. but for senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot. he is live in kyiv where things in there today, greg? >> hi arthel. it looks like we are back from the brink in russia. but there is still a lot of damage done at a lot of questions to answer. the wagner group mercenary fighters pulled out last night from the southwestern russian city of rostov-on-don and took over for a day as well as other locations they reached including closer to moscow. heading back to the base camp and ukraine with yevgeny prigozhin it was his anger with the russian military and its running of the war ukraine that triggered this attempted armed

you get one guy like prigozhin, who has the temerity to stand up to putin, and putin looks very weak, and everything can change very quickly under those circumstances. >> yeah. massive implications for all of this. really great to get your expertise on this developing story. m. steven fish, thank you so much. >>> we'll have much more on the tense situation in russia still ahead. who is yevgeny prigozhin, the shadowy leader of the wagner mercenary group? we'll have a live report from london next. stay with you. hey hon. hey dad...(sniffs) that smell could be 8,000,000 odor causing bacteria. good thing adding lysol laundry sanitizer kills 99.9% of bacteria that detergents leave behind clean is goo sanitized is better. ♪ we moved out of the city so our little sophie could appreciate nature. but then he got us t-mobile home internet. i was just trying to improve our signal, so some of the trees had to go. i might've taken it a step too far. (chainsaw revs) (tree crashes) (chainsaw continues) (daughter screams) let's pretend for a second that you didn't let down your entire family. what wo

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about t>> where does putin go , here raf. ? >> alicia, putin has a decision to make. does he try to move on from the chaotic events of this weekend, does he try to put it behind him? does he try to settle the score with yevgeny prigozhin? if we knew anything about putin, felicia, it's a man, he's a man, who does not forgive, it does not forget. there's a video going viral in russia right now. it's a 2018 interview that putin gave. the interviewer asks, is there anything that you can't forgive and putin's answer is immediate. he says a betrayal. and what we saw in russia this weekend's betrayal from putin's perspective on an epic scale. this is the biggest challenge to his power in two decades. putin's critics, his enemies, they have a habit of turning up dead, both inside russia and outside. it is hard to imagine that prigozhin can sleep easy at night in his exile inside belarus. on the other side of this equation, at least, yeah if putin cracks down too hard, he threatens and potentially risks undermining the war effort here in ukraine. we saw prigozhin clearly has a

whether putin has become weaker, he answered i know that you agree with this statement , does putinave any dictatorial potential that would allow him to take control of the situation and not allow the political elites and the military-political elites to rock the boat because they have already seen that the march from rostov to moscow is absolutely real, not to mention that the march may be from chernihiv or from sumy to moscow. in principle, i am ready to agree with this, but we must not relax in any case , because you know that the margin of safety in russia is very large and we can already see it. we have not yet we know all the consequences of this so-called rebellion. i hope that they will be, well, let's say so positive for us in the sense that they will contribute to the faster disintegration of russia or the collapse of russia, and probably this is exactly what the president meant when he said that later showed his weakness, but i repeat once again that this is still far from the possible results that all of us ukrainians would like to see , that is, let's say some kind of d

the putin of five years ago, the putin that was more engaged as opposed to the putin of today who is, who doesn't want to hear any bad news, i can't imagine the wagner group leader making as much progress if he tried this a number of years back. >> can you imagine viewed going on national television accusing prigozhin of being a traitor, literally, of a stab in the back and projecting vulnerability as he did on saturday morning? >> saying that and then five hours later cutting a deal with the same prigozhin. remember, neither of these guys are good guys. we know how awful and evil in so many ways putin has been. but prigozhin is head of this mercenary group who have done atrocities in syria, in ukraine, in countries in africa. prigozhin was the owner of the internet research agency who interfered in our elections in 2016, and he's subject to american indictment. so this is a very bizarre circumstance. but the lead-up in terms of prigozhin's comments, this has been happening literally for weeks. in some cases months, calling out the leadership of the russian war effort. >> do we have

even though he ended up standing down and putin nominally won this face-off, where does that leave putinow? >> kim, this is not only the biggest challenge to vladimir putin in over two decades of rule, it punctures the myth that he cannot be challenged. the kremlin has worked very acid w assiduously during the course of his presidency, his rule, to create this image of putin as sort of -- not just as a strong man, but as the confident hand that can steer the state. he has built this myth around him that he is the man who brought russia back from its knees after the chaos of the 1990s, the collapse of the soviet union. and his public image is incredibly closely handled, closely managed. that's important to bear in mind that in russia, essentially protesting the war, going out with a sign is potentially -- it's illegal. criticizing the military in russia has been outlawed. but prigozhin has now appeared on the scene, basically taking up arms, moving toward moscow, in open rebellion. there's no other way to put it. and so this poses a really, really serious problem for putin, who's basicall

putin's and see the nuance in this. he sees this as an armed insurrection. >> absolutely, and the bottom line is this is embarrassing for him. this is an attack on russian soil, essentially by someone who was a very strong ally for years of president putin. he's really only avenue here is to completely destroy progression. on that level, it's hard to see what the endgame is here for wagner group and for promotion. whether he believes he has the power, maybe some sort of pull within the military. can he, are there cracks within the military establishment that he can take advantage of? these are saying, as these are questions that are being asked now, and really we don't know the answers. we may see how it plays out over the next 24, 48 hours. we may see whether the military is 100 percent completely on the side of the russian state and president putin, or if there are some cracks in the system. essentially, putin is now in the position where he has no choice other than to destroy, essentially, this mercenary group that h

for putin, that's a huge loss. because it's a huge loss in the public sphere, as i've already mentioned, because there is a competing actor now. but also it's a huge loss for him in ukraine to no longer have this aggressive force that can scripts from the prison colonies and could be used and the sly as can part. >> how does this impact vladimir pin? how do you think this kind of splintering between putin and the beckoned ripples shape how putin is perceived in the public high? perhaps if they're any adversaries within putin's orbit waiting in the moment to strike, perhaps an opposition figure or someone who wants to emerge to challenge putin, you know, he knows that this is a historic challenge to his rule, as you set. it's different than political opposition. but how does this, for example, change putin's perception on those that may challenge his rule in the weeks, months, maybe years ahead? >> well it's kept putin's regime so stable is that he's more paranoid -- or just, that he's paranoid. and he tends to over

also drew a target on putin's back because putin is now he was already internationally decentralizedn he received an arrest warrant from the international criminal court in an international plan, but he humiliated his beauty among russians in front of the russians and he is now walking around with a target that he is weak and i am absolutely convinced that this is a process at the beginning the agony of this country is not in vain. kurt, our friend is great and well-known in ukraine. he declared that these events of yesterday are the beginning of the end of the war in ukraine. i think that we will have such consequences of these events and we will see how far-reaching they are deep as they will not affect the fate of er russia on the fate of the russian-ukrainian war in the end, mr. yury, there is such an opinion that is not very popular in ukraine now that we need to think about our actions now when russia begins to disintegrate because the big closet loudly and falls painfully and these are dangerous processes. and at the same time, there are and quite how do they say such controve

prigozhin, they are putin's guarantees.ly heard, pucen spoke about an hour, hour and a half ago. he again, instead of just keeping it silent, he again came down on prigozhin without naming him, as some been who damaged the unity of russia. that does this bode well for prigozhin. >> yeah, it was interesting to hear vladimir putin also thanks lukashenko for being the middle man throughout this conflict. you proficiented that pretty gorane -- prigozhin could turn against putin. >> well, you know, prigozhin his pushing them for a long time, until finally putin decided to put a stop to it and have prigozhin sign a contract with the defense ministry. he refused. at this point, he already put himself outside the law, already potentially put himself before the fire squad for disobeying the command of his commander in chief. once he rolled that dice, prigozhin really did not have that will choice. he either had to surrender, probably be arrested, or at least have a chance to create a situation in which he could get out of this corne

what will putin say tomorrow? indeed, he will come out and say, you know , we are sorry, the real hero of russia, yevgeny prigozhin, i signed a decree from his own the title of the hero of russia is idiotically true, that is, if he had remained silent afterwards he would have remained silent until tonight and everyone is saying and why is putin silent and why is putin silent, but now everyone understands why should we learn from this because he solved the problem and now he announced in the morning prigozhina became an enemy of the people in the evening prigozhyn became a friend of the people and somehow it will be strange if he is forgiven, it is very strange , this is such a thing. he's not in prison well, maybe he doesn't have a chance yet well, we have to wait another 15 minutes, we already have time, the program is running and i won't be surprised that there will be a change in the situation , the problem is that this is a statement that came out in e -e telegram channels , the press service of prigozhina and

putin weekend, that is a good thing.or, i wouldn't share -- of course putin as, weekend but he is a great survivor. so, i think he will be going, on by don't think there's any certainty that this -- start of the end for putin. >> so what is your prediction for the main protagonist prigozhin? and the defense minister? what is happening and belarus with lukashenko, and zelenskyy of course. >> this idea, this -- does not wholly at, up you, know he is losing influence, his wagner group has been -- like, that and felt more like a kind of cry to retain his autonomy. we know he's been very frustrated by bakhmut, we have discussed it, he initially, needed it felt more as if you are trying to make a point, and that kind of grew back in his face to some degree. for me, that probably explains why he is involved in moscow, and then certainly -- i suspect he bit off more than he could to. >> indeed, so. but, he is -- i mean, what is your interpretation of what you understand of the -- and how he managed to turn his troops to march on

but, putin hasn't. prigozhin understands his role in the putin system, apart from that one slip, he has never criticize vladimir putin directly, he has never been the hand that feeds him. for all his racing manner though, he has proven himself to be quite a leader of man, and he is going around the regions and talking to the wives, and the mothers who have lost their children, their sons, their children in ukraine. he has done a lot more than vladimir putin has. these are tragic scenes, here he is laying a wreath at the grave of yet another man who has been lost on the battlefield. this woman, he's about to present with a car, as though that makes up for the loss of a loved one. but at least he is doing it, and i think that has won him a degree of support, and sympathy, and people do agree with the stuff he is saying, he says what needs to be said, and what nobody else is saying. and here, you can see him with his men, marking and. we haven't seen vladimir putin, he is only in his business suit in mosco

he knows that he's been disloyal to putin, and putin hates disloyalty.ows his days are potentially numbered. >> yeah, nic robertson, great reporting and great context as always. thanks so much. >>> coming up, how the 2024 republican presidential candidates are reacting to all these developments in russia over the weekend. >> take a look at this, a twister ripping through a town outside indianapolis, damaging at least 75 homes. that's ahead, coming up. >> terrible. terrible. oh booking.com, ♪ i'm going to somewhere, anywhere. ♪ ♪ a beach house, a treehouse, ♪ ♪ honestly i don't care ♪ find the perfect vacation rental for you booking.com, booking. yeah. what's considered normal for your cat is interesting. but if your cat isn't their quirky self lately, they may have pain from a common condition called osteoarthritis. now, there's solensia. solensia is a once-monthly injection to control your cat's oa pain. veterinary professionals administering solensia who are pregnant, trying to conceive, or breast feeding should take extreme care to avoid self-injectio

even if putin might have agreed in this unwritten or unspoken agreement, to do certain things, putin has gone back on his word before. he's not going to want to emerge from this, as looking weak. submissive. as someone who, again, gave into prigozhin. because that could only encourage others to do the same thing. >> director brennan, if you are advising the president right now from an intelligence perspective, what would you be telling him watching this all play out in the geopolitical implications of it all? >> well, i think i say it's still very unsettled. we'll be trying to get a handle on exactly what is happening inside the kremlin, throughout the country. what the impact is on the broader russian military. with the impact as far as the war fighting in ukraine. what we should be doing in support of ukraine. maybe taking advantage of the opportunity now. also, keeping a very close eye on the strategic assets of russia, its nuclear inventory, missiles and other types of things. again, i think this is still very, very unsettled. what happens in the coming days and weeks, again, wil

unlike many of vladimir putin's closest confidants from hail from putin's hometown of st.ergei shoigu was born on the russian-mongolian border. yevgeny prigozhin's early adulthood was spent in prison for petty crimes. when he got out, prigozhin operated a hot dog stand, then built his business into a series of restaurants, then won some profitable catering contracts, earning him a nickname of putin's chef. >> he is almost the caricatured version of how violent entrepreneurs in the 1990s when there weren't many rules about russian capitalism got ahead, and, you know, having connections in the underworld. >> reporter: prigozhin established wagner around 2014, and consolidated his power by having his mercenaries do putin's bidding and civil conflicts in africa and syria. in ukraine, analysts say, prigozhin's fighters proved especially valuable to putin. >> not because of the fabulous military skills or equipment that the wagner group-but because the wagner group was even more willing than the russian army, which is saying something, to just sacrifice their young soldiers. the

putin's thumb.deployed and mobilized have come from those outlying areas. and places like belarus, which is tenuous at best with mr. lukashenko, are now feeling like they don't have the support of a government that looks a little bit like it's starting to crumble and be more dysfunctional than it already has. so yes, i would suggest, having been a reader of the other country's associated with russia, that this is probably causing a whole lot of problems in a lot of foreign capitals right now. >> yes, i figure you're totally right. thank you very, very much for your analysis. we're closely monitoring this unprecedented, dramatic historic situation unfolding in russia right now. we'll explain the situation and how it impacts the overall war in ukraine, we're getting more information, that's coming up. ter advil dual action back pain... yo! uh! ha! ha! [dog bark] what? my back feels better. before advil... new advil dual action back pain fights back pain two ways. for 8 hours of relief. ♪ hit it ♪ ♪ it

putin is closest to the fsb. the fsb is the closest thing we have to the kgb successor organization where putin used to work. when i saw that the fsb was being directly involved now and there was a criminal investigation ongoing that means putin is taking very close interest in this. that's not going to go away -- they could say we decided not to prosecute him or there was no evidence of criminal activity, i doubt it. it's pressure on prigozhin by the kremlin trying to remind him. at this point, prigozhin, though his army might not be big enough to make it to moscow or have a significant impact on the battlefield, he's a guy with a private army. he can't just be written off anymore really by anybody in the kremlin. >> well, exactly. and i guess obviously the west and ukraine looking aing carefu and hoped there would be a proper challenge to putin to stop this war. there's also the battlefield to talk about. we just spoke to a putin ally from his own party who said that putin could not afford to have a multi-prong

since covid, vladimir putin is barely seen, we all remember the images of putin at the enormous deskiding so that he could come close to anyone he would meet, throughout covid according to numerous reports he secluded off into germ freely locations so he became more and more remote, more and more separated from the people, prigozhin was on the battlefield speaking directly in russian in a language that the average person could understand and relate to. >> richard, let me ask you quickly about a point you brought up, the videotape or the clip that we've seen i'm sure vladimir putin has seen it of prigozhin and his troops being essentially greeted, celebrated, it's anecdotal but nonetheless it will give a chill down the spine of vladimir putin, what do you think happens to prigozhin if you had to look at the way putin has behaved with people he has disliked in the past, the political opposition like navalny or russian spies who have been poisoned in england, uk, germany at the behest of russian intelligence services? >> well, most of them end up getting killed, most of them end up gett